Today’s hip-hop and its purveyors have been criticized by both artists from the old school and current day. Now, Erick Sermon is providing his opinion.

During an interview with Say Word! Podcast from Monday (November 13), the EPMD emcee expressed his frustration with the culture as it stands today, noting that modern-day trends aren’t anything like what he helped pioneer over three decades ago.

“I just think that hip-hop is just not hip-hop,” he said. “I just think that they should change the name. No disrespect, but that’s not what that is. hip-hop can evolve, but this is not evolving. Evolving is Melle Mel to Rakim stage to the whole nine, to Wu-Tang [Clan] to Murder Inc., DMX – that’s evolving. Y’know, Cam’ron. Y’know, Dipset – that’s evolving.”

Additionally, the New York native claimed that “music is in somewhat of a bind because it’s stuck in one place” after naming artists like Migos, Ludacris, and Soulja Boy as innovative artists when they broke into the hip-hop scene.

Watch the full interview below, including Erick Sermon’s comments about the current state of hip-hop at the 6:49 mark.